17 thoughts on “Tested in the Lake of Fire

  1. Bull!~!! you talk in circles and make no sense. the Bible also says, whosoever will, let him come, but what about the ones who don’t come. How sad and mixed up theolgy you are spreading. I feel sorry for the people who believe your ignorance.

    • Rich…it appears you stopped short of the truth. Every knee will bow and Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Whosoever will…. (now or later) God will win your will because Love Never fails…

  2. Thank you, you have given me relief. I have been studying your website today and most of the night. I was very close to taking my own life because of guilt. I can see better now. This was holding me down and I could not free myself from the thoughts of all of my relatives who never really knew Christ and that they would be tormented for ever while I somehow got away from Hell because I came to America and learned of the Love that God has for us. Now I can rest easy this night knowing that if I die this night and through natural causes that I will see my loved ones again. I also feared hell as a literal place, but was willing to die and go there knowing that God had sent most if not all of the people that I love and hold near my heart. I Love God and want to do good in his eyes and I want him to love me and I am sure that he wants to do good to me and not evil to me. Thank You for having this website and showing me the error of my ways. Thanks be to God that he has opened your eyes and you have done the same for me.

    • Luciano,

      All I can say is WOW. I am glad you did not take your life. The author I believe gives people false hope and proves that God is always calling us to repent and turn toward him. He does not provide an alternative or the Bible we can refer to that is “right”. He names the modern translations, but what do we do if we can’t speak or read Greek or Hebrew? What alternative do we have? What do we use to back up this speakers claims? Is he saying that 2 Tim 3:16 is not true (All scripture is inspired by God)? Is all of it inspired by God and if so, then how do we handle scriptures of why Christ came? If Christ is our savior, what are we being saved from? Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? If there is no hell or punishment for not coming to faith in Christ, then why did Christ die? Where did Jesus go when he died, the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19 )?

      Jesus says this:
      John 14:6 Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. NLT

      What happens to those who don’t come to the Father? Where do they go? Something has to happen to them, right?

      What does the word repent mean? In Luke 13 we are called to repent. In Luke 13:3 what was the word perish translated from and what is it’s meaning? Is he saying that repent – think differently is wrong? Perish was translated from death, punishment from Strong’s. KJV renders destruction. If there is no punishment then God is a liar, right?

      There are so many scriptures that refute what this speaker says. And if one is truly relying on the Holy Spirit, they may come up with touchstone as being an everlasting reminder for those being punished of how they came up short. If the touchstone is to show purification, then in context it would fit these scriptures of how someone who never put their faith in Christ could be reminded forever and ever of how they missed the chance to come to Christ for salvation. Would not a reminder of being absent from God be “hell” enough for someone who claims to know and love God?

      The speaker is right if he is talking about a saved person not being judged. We will be admonished of our sin as God is a loving Father to us. But anyone who has not been born into Christ are destined for punishment. It occurs over and over again in the Bible. Rev 20:11 is the White Throne judgment, which leads to the lake of fire. Is this speaker saying that these are wrong in our translations also? What about:

      Matt 25:41 “Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. NLT

      This is Jesus talking. So if this speaker is saying that these verses are wrong, he eliminates much of the New Testament. He also does not indicate why God had destroyed entire cities for their sin (Sodom and Gomorrah) .

      I don’t want to dash your hopes, but that is the importance of the Great Commission of preaching the Gospel – Matthew 28:18-20. If there is no punishment for sin, then there would be no reason to preach Christ, right?

      There are many scriptures dealing with false teachers. This fella is one of them and seems to not tell us of all the other scriptures about this subject. If there is no punishment for sin then Christ did not have to die for our sin.

      I encourage you to read your Bible asking God to help you understand and give you the hope that you should have so that you can preach to others Christ.

      Jim

      • What is the meaning of such scriptures of this:

        Luke 20:17-18

        17 Jesus looked at them and said, “Then what does this Scripture mean?

        ‘The stone that the builders rejected
        has now become the cornerstone.’

        18 Everyone who stumbles over that stone will be broken to pieces, and it will crush anyone it falls on.” NLT

        There are consequences for not coming to Christ. And if there is no Hell what is the consequences of not coming to Christ?

        Many other scriptures to be used. In arguments you need not hide scriptures that would contradict your views.

        Jim

        • Jim, you did not look at his web-sight very well. There are 12 available translation of the bible that have no reference to hell what-soever. You should take abetter look before you accuse.

      • And on top of that, I just looked up the word torment in the strong’s concordance, and it does mean touch-stone…

    • We need to ask questions of other scripture such as:

      Luke 20:35
      35 But in the age to come, those worthy of being raised from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. NLT

      So what happens to those not worthy of being raised from the dead? They have to be some place, so where is it?

      Jim

    • Hi Luciano!

      I hope you read this reply.
      This site is very new and still under construction.
      The main site can be found here: http://www.tentmaker.org
      The site also has a forum: http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/
      So if you like just join the forum and ask your questions and many people will help you understand God is a new/true way.

      On this find you will find various articles and a long list with websites that teach (almost) the same thing as this website.
      http://home.online.nl/spamfree/

      Just do it! You will be suprised at the 1000’s of pages (books) that hav ebeen written about this view on God.

  3. Your simple explanation of the word is not consistent to all the scriptures. For example, Matthew 8:29 (demons are speaking to Jesus about future “torment”), Mark 6:48 (the disciples are “toiling” while rowing), Matthew 14:24 (the waves of the sea were “tossed”), and many many many others where your definition would not make sense or apply. It is an inadequate explanation.

  4. Thank you, you have given me relief. I have been studying your website today and most of the night. I was very close to taking my own life because of guilt. I can see better now. This was holding me down and I could not free myself from the thoughts of all of my relatives who never really knew Christ and that they would be tormented for ever while I somehow got away from Hell because I came to America and learned of the Love that God has for us. Now I can rest easy this night knowing that if I die this night and through natural causes that I will see my loved ones again. I also feared hell as a literal place, but was willing to die and go there knowing that God had sent most if not all of the people that I love and hold near my heart. I Love God and want to do good in his eyes and I want him to love me and I am sure that he wants to do good to me and not evil to me. Thank You for having this website and showing me the error of my ways. Thanks be to God that he has opened your eyes and you have done the same for me.

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  5. “Who do you say that I am…” is THE question Christ/God/Love-The Almighty Creator asked my heart of hearts concerning the question of where my pricelessly-beLoved babies and family would be and though I had been born to a theolgian/ teacher/ pastor father; studied at Missouri Baptist and tried every place that trusting in the traditions and appearances–the image and ‘forces-god’ that every codified religion has parts of–I always came back to the knowing and the power of Life and Love that Christ is in all the souls He created that could not connect or make whole the doctrine of a Loving, Good and Forgiver of enemies Parent who could allow this man–this sinner and weak human I am except for Love: God-Love in Christ–such awesome and wonderously precious children of his own and then think at the end of all my ‘book’ learning, studying, rearranging and the frustatingly empty “thing” that any Life anywhere would be without these beautiful and precious ones that Creation gave me that taught me Love that no matter wwhat no matter how, wwwon’t cannot let go…even if it could’ve dragged me unto the liar’s/fear’s absolute and clearly UnLoving, the antithesis of Good, Peace, unfailing, never-abandoning, Perfect Love as God IS in me (and all human souls-especially-ha ha-my most beLovedd ones and yours) and ultimately asking me over and over until I had no more any-anities, dogmas or isms to run to: you see, my baby sister had just passed on, among many things, and WHERE WAS SHE? Which led me on a glorious and miraculous summer night walk to her grave cry out thinking of the idea that my little sister–as well as the four beautiful daughters I have–could be (even though she was a believer since age 7) probably was; according any and every religious and human cognate of the purposes and attitude behind the god of forces and evil for evil, and good…well, aybe but only IF!?

    I cried out thinking knowing i would be struck down but such was my grief and such is God’s Love and desire to: “decide from my heart and truth Who He really and truly has to be and is: (God IS Love, I John 4:8/I Cor. 13) but then I said that if you are the capricious and schizophrenic, torturing and cruel thing in even the least ways that lies and fear tried its best to make me believe, then send me to your hell right now cause I can’t worship anything so gross and utterly evil and demonically misrepresentative of The One and Only True and Good thing that a weak and imperfect little sinner like me could know–LOVE! And as soon as I spoke out loud: I heard outloud theis sweet quiet voice, and felt the first peace and unburdening I ever ever knew! He said: “that’s good, David, now we can get somewhere…I only want you realising that all the Truth in your heart that’s Good is me and everything else; no matter who says it, where or when, isn’t if it disagrees with this One and infinitely beautiful simple fact: “Where your Love is, there will your heart…your mind, your all be–or, very quick to follow!”
    Love, Goodness, Truth, are always Love, Goodness and Truth.

  6. Dear friend Jim, you said: “All I can say is WOW. I am glad you did not take your life. The author I believe gives people false hope and proves that God is always calling us to repent and turn toward him.”

    -Are you now saying, Jim, to a man who wrote a heart felt story about the relief that he has found because of studying, that Luciano’s relatives really ARE being tormented forever and that he is just clinging to your so called “false hope”? Is that what you’re telling him? If so, whatever may happen to Luciano because of this is on YOUR hands. Repent of it NOW. You are a false and toxic “teacher”. You are no teacher at all, you are a spiritual abuser and spiritual terrorist and should be exposed as such.

  7. I have doing a thorough research of scriptures to find the Truth about the nature of life that God has for us, having been raised in a Traditional Pentecostal paradigm and I thank God for the material released through these broadcasts. I have been scrutinising the essence of The Life of God through much questioning and have found quite some personalities that have aided in this quest…and I thank God that the Tent Maker Ministries have been graced with such light to show masses the depths of the Truth of Christ, especially in this area of Fire. It is Godfire…From God…not for the purpose of destruction…but refinement. Thats it in Malachi, at Pentecost in 1 Corinthians 3 and also in Revelation. Thank God for you guys. I thought I was seeing these things on my own.

  8. hehe, i was talking to a friend, about trying to leave the insane terror of hell behind, and i said that the ONLY conclusion i could come to, was that the lake of fire has a PURPOSE, KNOWING THE GOD I KNOW, Jesus Christ, it was the ONLY possible explanation, i am glad to see i’m not the only completely bonkers Christian out there who trusts that God is ultimately good to sinners, just like Jesus showed when He walked the earth… yet ‘mainstream’ Christianity gets soooooo angry about this and i don’t know why…. they argue that we have ‘free will’ in this world where we are blinded by satan, and that God gives us this ‘free will’ to either love Him or be tortured unspeakably for eternity…. call that free will? that’s like someone pointing a gun to my head and saying ‘love me, NOW, or else’… it’s insanity, and they call US insane haha… thank you for the video!!!

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